Friday, January 24, 2025

Seven Years of Bad Luck, or, I Think I Might Be A Pretty Big Osomatsu Fan

DO YOU KNOW ME
2018, Discotek Media uploaded a surprise first episode to their YouTube channel: Pierrot's 1988 Osomatsu-kun. 2019, the rest of the show was up on Crunchyroll among other services.

Then for a long time nothing happened.

A president left, another came, and the one before came back. The genocide in Palestine was brought to the mainstream. I graduated junior high, high school, and community college. I moved out to university housing.

Everything is just so quiet now.

The States are going to be an awful place to live for the next four years. A lot of good people will leave or die, sometimes not by their own hand. I dread my next year of school due to what could possibly happen to my financial aid if the government cuts down on funding. I can't really imagine a realistic future right now.

I can, however, imagine holding a blu-ray release of Osomatsu-kun in my sweaty hands and grinning rather violently.

Act I: Who Likes This Shit?

I dunno, someone here, probably...

If you go to any "retro anime" account or page on your socials, you'll see a distinct vibe from their content. Sleek characters with neon colors and an overall looming appreciation for OVA-style sci-fi anime. It's rare that you ever see anything outside of that particular box, but when you do, it's only going to be for a moment. Perhaps the obsession with this very particular aesthetic is a zoomer variant of boomers being obsessed with Rockwell paintings or Gen X'ers being obsessed with lackluster syndicated cartoons. A universal emotion of "it was so much better back then".

What this emotion tends to ignore is the fact that most boomers would hate Rockwell for his progressive beliefs and politics, and Gen X'ers have the rose-tinted glasses that don't let them see the faults in what they grew up with simply because it's what they grew up with. The "80s Anime Account" phenomenon derives itself from the most obvious of cherry-picking, influenced in part from the vaporwave and future funk subcultures, with their glowing grids and OutRun playthrough footage. I can't speak for anyone who lived during the 80s because I was not alive then, and neither can a good chunk of these accounts. It's a vainglorious era that never existed in a 21st-century contemporary world and is instead seen through distortions of distortions. The 80s is an over-loved decade because of what is misrepresented and exaggerated. Maybe you could say that the decade itself is just as flanderized as the 50s or 60s, with music dictating such feelings.

Granted, for every post about OEDO or Akira that tends to crop up, you'll never find anything about Ranpou or Lupin III Part 3 because it doesn't fit the hard-boiled narrative they want to convey. And both of these shows are super fun and take advantage of the medium very well! They might not be hits in their home country or much else for that matter (Italy has its particular obsession in regards to Lupin, though that's besides the point lmao), but it gives a much bigger vision of what 80s anime had to offer than a bike slide. Osomatsu-kun is one of those such shows, with heavy reliance on comedy and character humor as opposed to telling an overarching story. Every episode is different in scope and tone, almost akin to the Tezuka Star System idea of typecasting, as if all the characters here are playing roles in a movie.

The non-reliance on a structure or formula is perhaps both one of its biggest strengths and weaknesses, as a lot of anime fans tend to misunderstand what the show wants to do with its time. You could argue that it was a take on how Fujio Akatsuka wrote the original manga, by simply just drawing funny stuff and not really caring about where it takes us next time. The reliance on a straightforward plot running through however many episodes is the typical way to do a show nowadays; limiting your time to the straight and narrow path of serialization provides an incentive for audiences to come back next week, compared to the bombastic and unpredictable world of episodic storytelling. But for me, by doing all this stuff with no regard whatsoever to any established mythology or pre-existing lore to understand, I can see a show that does so many different things and not get boring or confused on where to go next, likely because of delays on the main form of the adapted media's side.

The characters are well-established with their foibles and attributes by the second episode, and even if you aren't familiar with Akatsuka's other works like Tensai Bakabon or Moretsu Atarou (where a few other characters come from), just seeing these goofy things on screen is enough to make a smile, I think. Akatsuka, as a cartoonist, relies on a sometimes uncommon philosophy to just show up and have something for his audience to take a peek at. Doesn't matter what's going on, if it's funny, it doesn't really matter what happens. Make 'em cowboys or samurai. I don't care, as long as I have a good time. Justifying it as these characters' ancestors is lame shit, I don't want to do too much thinking and instead wanna see what can be done with these guys in this place. Simple as, really.

So, maybe I'd say the answer is that I like this shit.

Act II: CN Real's Dude, What Would Happen

IF I FUCKING TORTURED YOU

I am not here to watch a cartoon where men scream about their cocks and explode. I am here to watch a cartoon where anything and everything can happen just because it's funny. The series is an exercise in character study, in that it reinvents these occasionally 20-something-year-old bits and does it in a manner that pays tribute to the past and present (present being that of the late 80s). You'll have an episode based off a chapter that you could read in a collected volume, or maybe it was done in the 1966 adaptation. 1988's take on the story doesn't try to play the SpongeBobian "Two Shorts" format, but extends the story to its logical depth for a half hour, sometimes at the sacrifice of some lost jokes or a completely different ending.

Take the 10th episode, "The Shinigami Salesman From Hell!" which was adapted from a chapter very late into the original first run of the manga, titled simply "The Shinigami Salesman". Both have the same sort of overall plot: con-artist and overall degenerate Iyami overhears that Osomatsu, one of the six identical Matsuno brothers, is gravely ill. He teams up with a goofy shinigami in an attempt to whack this kid, only really because he just doesn't like him. It's a recurring theme in most Osomatsu's to give a 30-something scumbag beef with 10-year-old kids. Doesn't always have to be Iyami, but most of the time it's him. A bunch of weird and dark stuff ensues, a reference to the Grimms' "Godfather Death" fable is enacted, but both of these takes end TOTALLY different.

In the manga, the shinigami ends up quitting his job as a harbinger of death and instead gets a career as a candlemaker, with the previously alluded-to Grimm reference, leading Osomatsu and his brothers to pick up candles for a birthday cake, and hurrying away once they know who's at the front. The anime is much more interesting: near the end of both adaptations, Iyami has fucking died and the shinigami himself is badly injured. He enlists the best character in the whole franchise, Chibita, to go to his awful mansion and switch out the candles that fuel one's life force. Chibita succeeds in the manga, and revives both Iyami and the shinigami, but in the anime, he ends up getting a little too hot inside a house full of candles and opens a window, letting a draft in that presumably caused an unexplainable series of deaths around the world. A cut back to the now-healthy rest of the cast, who are suddenly surrounded in darkness. Then a spotlight, and a fade to black.

The final shot of the episode is most except Chibita doing a song-and-dance routine surmising that they have all died and are livin' it the hell up in the Good Place. Personally, I would not put Iyami there on his several attempts to kill a child, but who gives a shit. It's funny.

Mostly, it's a matter of execution. Akatsuka's take on the ending is funny for what he wants to tell, it's a good ending that closes off the story in a "ob-la-di, ob-la-da" fashion, to keep everyone alive in the hopes of the audience subscribing to next week's antics. In Akatsuka's later post-modern works, such as Gag Guerrilla or Let's La Gon, he'd often play with the "character dies for no reason" ending because of how logically extreme it is, and I can understand why the team on the anime side would prefer that way to end it, seeing as how Akatsuka was a fan of doing things that way for several years at that point. He would have been pleasantly surprised with the change, in my opinion.

Even then, there's original stories that aren't based off any pre-existing chapters of the manga. Such tales include the sextuplets' parents de-aging into teenagers with Mrs. Matsuno taking up a career as an idol and her better half posing as a relative visiting in place of their dad. It's a pretty thoughtful story, with both of them understanding that even though they're older, they still want to feel the same way as when they met as youths. That's the sort of ethos of Osomatsu to me, to exist in a fast-paced and orderly world and desire the fun and nonsensical. It's why for the longest time I've always interpreted the show's opening to be a tribute to those who read the manga as kids and now that they're older, are sharing it with their kids. "My dad is my dad, my mom is my mom, they're the best in the country, but what you see is what you get." It's that sort of energy that is the entire philosophical statement Osomatsu-kun pushes.

Act III: Mr. Osomatsu Isn't Home Right Now

Live "Got Show Stolen" Reaction

It shouldn't be much of a surprise that over here, there's a distinct lack of knowledge in regards to how people process Osomatsu as a franchise. Most people who have at least a little experience with the series know about Osomatsu-san, which as fun and relatable as it is, I feel is a parallel to this show in particular. The self-loathing that Osomatsu-san has for what it once was is, in some ways, frustrating. In many episodes, it constantly wants to shrug off its 1960s origins and completely reinvent itself as something born of ashes, with its debut even criticizing how Osomatsu-kun can't stay relevant due to its sheer age and how its creator has been long dead. In terms of making art, I don't feel relevancy is a necessary thing...I'd much rather just make something out of time with little regards for the time it's made in.

Not to say that the previous interpretation didn't try for modernity; you'll have an off-hand reference to going to a Michael Jackson concert or popular manzai comedians of the day. The rereleased manga was also being updated for the times, with stories from 1964 having their topical jokes rewritten to be about things more understandable in 1987. It's a common thing to happen in reprints, Lupin III was going through a similar situation with its reprints at this time.

To erase things that make something of a certain era kills its historicity, to have to explain it in a way that makes sense is a lesser evil. I'd much rather be told about a hit single from 1967 than yap about how it doesn't make any sense for a reference to Thriller to be here. The sliding scale of modernity is going to come for us all, and it doesn't matter who gets struck in the crossfire. To pretend that it can actively hurt you is of a different struggle entirely.

In Osomatsu-san, everyone has been aged up to adults, with the advantage to tell more raunchy and crude jokes than they would be able to as kids. The honorific expresses this perfectly. The main problem stems from how it could date itself in comparison to -kun, with its tales of Starbucks and smartphones, porn DVDs and convenience stores. It's a 21st-century story that's being told to us by characters that didn't have to deal with such modern struggles as kids. These kids, though, are a far cry from how they are as adults, forgoing a long-running joke to do something completely unthinkable: the Matsunos can now be told apart.

Osomatsu-kun, in the simplest regards, wants to remind people of the best aspects of Osomatsu-kun. What Osomatsu-san want to do is completely overhaul the system, to start all over with these vaguely familiar characters from something so old, that it doesn't matter what went on then. It seems to be something so distinct from anything that happened before to the point of self-deprecation. To confront the idea of what came before as old and unfunny is to dismiss what got you here in the first place, though I would be lying if I said I didn't appreciate Osomatsu-san for what it does. It simultaneously is and isn't.

My main concern is for everyone who is much more familiar with the latest incarnation: I'm imagining that meme about Marvel movies where a series of strawmen are confused over what's transpiring when they watch a movie like that. I fear that those unfamiliar with Osomatsu's origins will project their own conclusions onto this series, when it's not even something to consider at this point in time. I've seen it happen for 10 or so years now, but I'm not sure how much will change, if at all.

Act IV: A Little Boogieing Back Never Hurt Nobody

Iyami, post-afterlife clerical error, alongside another attempted murderer, their target, and five others caught in the crossfire.

But what's all to be gained from having a fuckass cartoon like this on disc? Quite a bit, actually. I could go to a convention and see it at a booth and smile. I could go to a small mom-and-pop anime shop and find it on a shelf and smile. I would know that there would be people on this godforsaken planet who have this in their lives and houses and I would smile. Understanding that people out there like this as much as I do brings me happiness, and I guess that's all we need in these trying times.

Finding things to be happy about while the world comes down on you is a quest for many. To go on a grand journey across the net for something that appeals to you in a hundred different ways is like finding the holy grail, but when you do find it, there's a less than 1% chance you let it go. I've been Osomatsu-pilled since -san started almost 10 years ago. People were making jokes in 2017 with Mr. Burns at the plaque, but in big 2025, I rarely see anyone talking about the series in any capacity anymore. It's a shame, there's so much to love and like about the characters and overall fun that it has with them that for all the time spent waiting on something to come off all this hype back when it was the old hotness, the ashes are starting to settle and are getting thin enough to blow away in the wind.

An Osomatsu for now would be very useful. -san's fourth season is set to begin in July, so maybe I'll think about that for a while. Otherwise, I'll be pre-ordering the set day one. It's the least I could do for myself right now.

Monday, January 20, 2025

It's Gratifying, It's Terrifying: An Interview with Gary Hallgren

"Game Expense"
"Game Expense"

As I write this preface, I'm currently in a hotel in Albany. I'd missed my train back home and am bunking up in a somewhat decent room for the night. I saw a cockroach on the shower wall. This is screaming New York.

Nonetheless, my reasons for being on the east coast are very personal: I had went to the exhibition of Gary Hallgren, a particular favorite illustrator of mine who I'd been in touch with for a while. The show was held at the Art For The Soul gallery in downtown Springfield, MA, birthplace of basketball, which has a flavor all its own. By that, I mean I bought a small calzone at Paramount Pizza that turned out to be the size of my head. I'm finishing it up now.

He was a genuine class act; usually people tell you not to meet your heroes, but he was an awesome subversion to such advice. I did want to chat with him about his work and career, but I was on such a time crunch that I almost made the train. I do want to thank Mr. Myers, the curator of the show, for getting me to Pittsfield during this hellish storm. No thanks to the fuckheads not plowing the streets, my Greyhound was delayed by 21 minutes. Awesome

At least the room is pretty quiet, not liking the deposit policy though. It's a huge toss-up on whether they'll give it back or not. Sometimes they'll say that you took a toiletry as cause for them not giving it back. It's weird that way.

Before I get into the main event, I want to mention a few brief anecdotes that weren't picked up by the mics when we began. I asked Hallgren if he still has the original illustrations for the covers for one of my all-time favorite works of his, Mort the Dead Teenager, to which he said he doesn't; according to him, the originals were sold in a set at the Chicago Alternative Comics Expo a while back, to which I jokingly said something to the effect of "it should have been me!" I had also gifted some hand-pressed buttons, one of a piece I did of Mort a few years back, and another of an illustration I have not shared and probably won't, Hallgren describing the latter as "leaving nothing to the imagination".

Without further ado, here's the transcript from my talk with Mr. Hallgren. I'd love to see him again in person, but I owed him a pretty big debt and this was one of my biggest chances to not pass up.

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Hallgren: I'm fully unprepared to do this.

Ai: (laughs) Oh, it's alright. It's alright. I haven't done many interviews in my life, but I think this would be pretty worthwhile. How are you, Mr. Hallgren?

H: As they say in the swamps, fine as frog hair.

A: Anything else happening besides your daughter's birthday? (Her birthday was the day before, happy belated birthday, Annabel!)

H: Well, I'm starting to write some more comics stories again...I've been, over the last 20-25 years, when the news strikes me, I'll write silly and naughty comics stories. And I finally got enough so that I could publish a book of them (Amuzing Stories #1). And that came out four years ago. And I'm starting to do it again.

A: That's awesome.

H: I was busy with some of the "finer" art, but it goes in waves. I'll be letting that go for a while, working on comics stories.

"TV Dinner"
"TV Dinner"

A: Awesome, awesome. Working on anything besides Hägar and that?

H: Yeah, sure...the current story that I'm working on, in the middle of penciling, is called...I can't remember the name of my own story! It has to be with...hmm, what does it have to do with? I keep sidetracking myself because I'm also writing a story about time travel, and the puzzlements of trying to change the past and how it really can't be done, but trying to make light of that is funny. That wasn't a joke.

A: It almost sounded like--you know, "the past is the past".

H: Yeah.

A: It's a harsh reality.

H: But we have all these thoughts about, "Gee, if I had only done something differently at this certain nexus," well, maybe you'd disappear, if you had.

A: Like grandfather theory, right?

H: Yeah.

A: So, Mickey Mouse is public domain, what's your opinion on that?

H: The original "pie-eyed" Mickey Mouse from Steamboat Willie is public domain.

A: There's some more stuff. I feel like a lot of Mickey went public domain this year.

H: Well, the later model Mickey with the white eyeballs, he's still quite copyrighted. I had a request a couple of years ago from some publishers in Germany...they were doing a parody of famous folk tales and they asked me to contribute. So I said, "Well, I'd like to do Steamboat Willie." And they said, "That sounds great!" And then they got right back to me and said in Germany he's still protected.

A: Yes, it's different all over the place.

H: I had to do something else.

A: In Japan, a lot of the early Disney stuff is public domain. I was in Japan two years ago and I saw one of those "public domain" DVDs of Pinocchio on a shelf at a BOOK-OFF. And I was like, "Oh, I should probably get this!" (laughs) Because it was such a weird little novelty, like "Oh yeah, it's public domain over here." I think it's Creator Plus 70 or Creator Plus 60...something. No, it's Creator Plus 50, Life Plus 50...because Jim Croce's work is public domain in Japan.

H: But wait a minute, Life Plus 50, he didn't die 50 years ago!

A: He died 50 years ago.

H: He did? It was that long ago?

A: Yeah, he died in, I think, '73.

H: (grabs his face) Oh, all the time is slipping away!

A: (laughs) It's alright, it's alright.

H: I guess you're right.

A: Yeah, no, what a great talent Croce was.

H: Yeah, I mean, there's, you know, the golden oldies [stations] still play him regularly.

A: I saw ELO a couple of months ago with Jeff Lynne down in Detroit.

H: He's still working?

A: Oh no, it was his farewell tour.

H: Oh, well, I envy you for that.

A: I grew up listening to ELO. "Evil Woman" is one of my all-time favorites.

H: I watch him on YouTube. (laughs)

"Air Pirates Funnies #3"
"Air Pirates Funnies #3"

A: What's it like to have an exhibition up in here?

H: Oh, well, it's gratifying. It's terrifying. I'm happy it happened, and I've had a lot of excellent response, so there is that.

A: Awesome.

H: And I have to thank Bill [Myers] for doing it, because he tried to get me a show here about five years ago, and it didn't work out, but he didn't give up.

A: Nancy. Let's talk Nancy. Any favorites?

H: Oh, Nancy. Nancy, Nancy, Nancy...when I was a youngish underground cartoonist, there were a couple of guys in the group that thought Nancy was the bee's knees, and I never got it. I didn't get what they were up to.

A: It's hard to get, I guess, at the time. Not really anything special.

H: They took the ironical, sort of the absurd view of it, and I was still too literal. (laughs) I mean, at the same time, I couldn't play saxophone with Dan O'Neill because he was an Irish troubadour, and he counted however he damn pleased. He'd stop the banjo, and he'd go off on a tangent, and I said, "Dan, you've got to stick with the 12 bars if we're going to play blues together!" He couldn't do it.

A: No, I get it.

H: And it's sort of like the way I was with Bill Griffith and Art Spiegelman, but I eventually figured out what it was all about. It's a tabula rasa. It's the most reduced comic that has ever been produced, and it's like a big swimming pool full of blue water that's inviting you in.

A: Have you read How to Read Nancy?

H: Oh, sure!

A: Oh, I love it.

H: Yeah, it's a great book.

A: It definitely explains comics a lot better than other books about comics can.

H: Yes, it is the best text on comics I've ever read, and I'm happy to say that I have met and have had conversations with both the authors. I talked to them last May in Columbus, Ohio at the Nancy show.

A: I should have been there, I really should have been there!

H: Oh, it's a great show. I mean, I just got the art back that they borrowed from me, which, that was nice because that gave me a little VIP status there.

A: That's awesome, man. I mean, you definitely got your Nancy down.

H: Well, I may have come to Nancy later in life, but when I go someplace, I like to take plenty of baggage.

A: So, you tried out for Nancy in the 90s, and you did not get it. I do love your work on it though. Did you ever meet the Gilchrists who ended up getting it?

H: No, and I don't want to.

A: (laughs) So I take it you don't like their work?

H: Nope.

A: Oh, I don't [either].

H: In a word, no. (laughs)

A: I don't really care for them either, no. I ended up meeting Guy I believe twice at a convention, and, I mean, I'm pretty sour on him. If anything, there should not be cartoonists being guests on The 700 Club.

H: What's that?

A: It's a cable program that CBN had a long time ago, and the guy who ran the show, Pat Robertson, died a while back. He was evil, like a genuinely evil guy.

H: Pat Robertson...

A: Yes, he was the host of the show, and his son does it now, but Guy Gilchrist came, and he drew Nancy, and she was saying, like, "Thanks 700 Club!" It was pretty bad. (laughs)

H: Well, I'm not sure why, the excuse they gave to me when they said they'd made their choice was that they were going with a team, because they thought that I would not be able to keep up with the deadline, they gave me six weeks to do six weeks worth [of strips], and I made it by the skin of my teeth because I was busy. I did it when I could. I still made the deadline, they said "No, we're worried about you making your deadline."

A: Yeah, I mean, a lot of the early Gilchrist stuff was traced-over Bushmiller. They literally traced over it.

H: Well, you know, I don't fault them for that...because when I'm doing somebody else's art, I do whatever I can to get the feeling, and that sometimes includes doing tracing. Not what I turn in, but as an exercise.

A: Right, but they just went over older strips and maybe changed the dialogue a little. It was the same joke, same sort of thing. It wasn't anything new, and Jerry Scott had a similar issue when he did Nancy, but it came into his own thing, and I appreciate it. It's not really Nancy, but I appreciate it.

H: Oh, yeah, he bent it and shaped it alright, and as did the Gilchrists, but I didn't like the direction he was going [in]. I thought, "you know..." and now we've got Nancy being reshaped yet again.

"Danger Nancy"
"Danger Nancy"

A: I was going to get to that, how do you like Olivia Jaimes' Nancy?

H: Well, for starters, I wish she used a little bit heavier line.

A: She has a background in web comics...

H: It doesn't print well in our newspaper.

A: That's an issue, yeah.

H: I think that's a serious issue. You know, whatever medium you're in, make it work for you. Don't push the limits when they don't need to be pushed.

A: That's true. From what I've heard before that, Nancy was only in about 50 or 60 papers around the country, and then when [Jaimes] got on and people were talking about it, it went back up to 300 or so.

H: There was a virtual presentation from Olivia at Nancy Fest, and it was a very sort of coy and [she] said "I don't like to be in public, and I'm going to turn my strip over to somebody else for a month or two."

A: It was kind of a bit, I guess. The stuff that was done by the other artists who did a week or so of strips, I thought that was a pretty fun little thing to do.

H: I think that's okay, I certainly appreciate the change-up every once in a while. I remember when Bobby London introduced Dirty Duck as a basement strip under Odd Bodkin, and that was pretty phenomenal at the time, and now I don't understand Bobby. He hates Dan, and Dan gave him a start, you know?

A: Dan was pretty much the front of the MLF and everything.

H: Oh, totally.

A: He was the big dude that the suit was after.

H: I think Bobby probably thinks I've been Dan's toady forever, which, if he has to claim he's not Dan's toady by being such a "bad boy" and having his butt kicked off Popeye, and bad-mouthing Dan for dragging him into the Air Pirates, which he now repudiates. So, he's a complicated guy.

A: I mean, you guys changed history. That suit pretty much re-identified parody law.

 H: Well, it's still up in the air. I mean, it didn't really fix anything, it just kicked the can down the road in a way.

A: It did some things. It made people aware about the state of parody in the country at the time.

H: It's generated some print, The Pirates and the Mouse, the book about the Air Pirates by Bob Levin. Bob Levin has also written biographies of Dwaine B. Tinsley, the infamous cartoon editor at Hustler Magazine, who was dragged into court by a complaint from his daughter about unfortunate sexual hijinks, which was never proven, but it ruined Tinsley, of course. He created this very, very un-PC strip called Chester the Molester. Have you seen that one?

A: I've heard of it, I don't believe I've seen it.

H: They took him into court and said "Here's Chester the Molester himself!" But Levin researched it, said it's not subtle. His daughter had some axe to grind and saw an easy way to do it.

A: K-Otics. Any favorite songs? Performances?

H: I think working with CBGB in the early 90s was great. What a legendary venue. We played for a couple of Neal Adams Christmas parties, that was fun. And Marvel Comics Christmas parties in their office, we'd set up in the Bullpen and flail away.

A: Speaking of Marvel, Teen Hulk. Remember Teen Hulk?

H: Sort of.

A: Any stories about that?

H: (shrugs) Not a one. Larry [Hama] is my conduit into Marvel, and it stops there.

A: Have you talked with him recently?

H: He just posted a picture of our daughter when she was two on Facebook.

"Do It Yourself"
"Do It Yourself"

A: Cool, I got five minutes' time. I'm gonna try to speedrun some of this.

H: It's alright.

A: Mort stuff. Who was your favorite character to draw?

H: Ooh...Mort.

A: You liked to draw Mort?

H: I liked to draw Mort, yeah.

A: He's just a mess. I love him.

H: He's like Archie. A more real Archie to me.

A: I did see a lot of Archie-isms in it, with Kimberly and Maureen being a sort of analog to Betty and Veronica.

H: Yes, yeah. And his goofy friend who had the haircut...

A: Slick or Weirdo?

H: Weirdo.

A: Weirdo, yes...

H: I was very much sorta making that up as I went along. Larry wrote a...you know this, he's a good script writer. He's excellent. There weren't a lot of horrible questions that I couldn't answer, but he gave me pretty much carte blanche to do it like I saw it.

A: So it was more of a collaboration between you and Hama?

H: He wrote the script, and Marvel published it, and they didn't know what to do with it, and it disappeared.

A: I enjoy it very much.

H: Great, I'm glad!

A: How personal was the comic to you? How personal was Mort?

H: Not very. Truthfully, there wasn't a lot. I guess if I think on it for a moment, anybody that does a strip about a teenager must reach back into their own teenagerhood and feel a few things and bring them out. I can't say what that is without, you know, wasting your time, but I'm sure there's got to be a few things. And of course, Mort's dad and the car that Mort died in, Studebakers are another one of my passions. You know that. (laughs)

A: I could tell! Did you have any interesting stories that went on?

H: During Mort?

A: Yes.

H: I got an interesting story from the first time I went up to the National Lampoon, and at the request of Doug Kenny, we were talking about what I could do for the Lampoon. He wanted to know if I worked with writers. I said, "But I also have ideas of my own!" And I pitched them a strip idea...which was a simple four-panel strip called Four for a Quarter, inside of an old-fashioned black-and-white photo booth. It's just four panels of somebody goofing off in the photo booth. He said, "Yeah, I like it. That could work. Do [me] up a few." And at that time, Matty Simmons, the publisher, walked in and says, "What do we need him for? Let's just go down to the photo booth in Grand Central and do it." It made Doug mad. "Matty, leave, please, you're not going to steal this guy's idea right out from under our noses!" So that introduced me to the cutthroat world of magazine humor publishing.

A: Yeah, it's awful.

H: It's gone now. (laughs)

A: How do you think Mort's aged?

H: Pretty good, I think so, I think so. I still read mysteries and books that don't have cell phones.

A: It's fun. Movies, TV, anything? There was apparently a TV show from what I've heard that was optioned at UPN back when that was a thing.

H: Ooh, missed that.

A: Apparently Wizard Magazine picked up on it. I don't know.

H: From Mort?

A: From someone, I dunno. (laughs)

H: Larry should know, I'll have to ask him.

A: This is a very silly question. Should Mort get a happy ending or should he languish in a hellish cycle of his own creation?

H: (laughs) Well, if you want more books, he should languish in the hellish cycle.

A: I don't know right now, not a lot of people are interested in it.

H: No, it's kind of moot since I don't think anything's going to happen. Although, you never know. It's one of the few properties that Marvel has never sold the movie, so it could still happen.

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A: At one point it might have been, but I don't know. [Disney's] probably getting it back this year. Who knows? They're getting the Fox stuff back, and the Universal Hulk stuff. Tom and Mary Bierbaum apparently made a comic called Dead Kid Adventures sometime in 1994. Know about it?

H: Tom and Mary Bierbaum...any relation to Bob Bierenbaum?

A: No, (laughs) they worked on, I think The New Mutants or whichever one it was. 

H: I don't remember. I'm very, very ignorant of modern comics, sorry to say.

A: It's alright.

H: Can't help you there.

A: Mad Magazine, any favorites?

H: Ooh, the killing of the Pokémon. ("Hokéycon" from #386)

A: I see!

H: I murdered Pikachu with a stick of TNT.

A: I don't think Pikachu can learn Explosion! (laughs)

H: They wanted him blown up. I was all too happy to blow him up! I have nothing against [Pikachu] personally, but it's just too good of an assignment to say no. (laughs)

A: Okay, one last question and that'll be it. SpongeBob, your work on SpongeBob.

H: Just the SpongeBob magazine.

A: You a fan of SpongeBob at all?

H: I am now.

A: Any favorite episodes?

H: Not that come to mind, but I did try writing for SpongeBob and they said, "We don't have sharks in SpongeBob."

A: There are shark characters.

H: There are now, but when I put in my script, they said "Sorry, no sharks." (laughs)

A: Thank you for your time, I owe you a tremendous debt.

H: No problem.

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*Editorial note 3/8/25: in 2018, Japan extended their copyright terms from Life Plus 50 to Life Plus 70, syncing up with most other terms in Europe, therefore leaving Croce's work under copyright, except in countries with Life Plus 50 terms such as New Zealand. "Pinocchio" is public domain in Japan due to a separate ruling regarding films made prior to 1953, regardless of country of origin. Due to the 2018 extension, a 20-year grace period is in place for any works under copyright that were set to expire in 2019, alongside a separate extension for additional "authors" of films alongside the director (who has their own Life Plus 70 in place). Anything in the domain prior to 2019 remains there. Another term is in place for certain films released prior to 1970 with an additional 38 years added, but I'm not sure about the logistics of how that term works.

Additionally, since the publication of this piece, I have donated $100 to the Art for the Soul gallery for their efforts to raise awareness for underrepresented artists of different backgrounds and cultures, and to continue their mission as an integral part of the Springfield community. You can donate here, anything given is tax-deductible and going to a good nonprofit cause.

* Editorial note 3/9/25: The Bierbaums did not write "New Mutants", instead they are most well-known for "Legion of Superheroes". "Dead Kid" had an ashcan not too long after "Mort" finished up, and a series debut around 1997, which was shortly cancelled after two issues. I recommend you do some digging into it, it's a very interesting book with a lot of promise.

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